The Pit - Thread 1 - SPACE RELATED

[JimMcDade]

OK, here's the plan. We watch the classified ads to see when the government liquidation auction is happening. Then we go down there and bid on all of the Constellation hardware. Me2 says it's worthless, so I figure we can probably by it all for 40 or 50 bucks, max! We will need everybody's pickup for this.

Then we haul all of that stuff to a vacant lot somewhere (there will be plenty of vacant lots and empty buildings after all of Obama's layoffs at KSC are piled on top of the other people who have lost their jobs) and put it all back together and submit our bid to NASA.

We can put a $100 help wanted ad in AW&ST. There will be lots of desperate, unemployed rocket engineers and workers from all around the country around who will be willing to work for the minimum wage and very ready to take revenge on the the commercial spaceflight industry that lobbied to put them out of work. That will make it really easy to beat out SpaceX and the other bidders who have to pay higher wages for their help.

Obama will be so happy with our winning bid that he will stage one of those pep-rally events where he does that Mussolini-type pose that he does. You've seen it. It's that pose where he tilts his chin way up high, pushes his lips together, and looks down his nose at his loyal, unquestioning minions. We can play to his ego and bolster his arrogance by painting the rocket gold and re-christen it as Obama I. His joy and satisfaction might push him over the edge and cause his to finally perform the complete Mussolini-body language and place his hands on his hips as he raises that chin.

[Me2]

The poor Jupiter Direct people are feeling used and abused right now. They weren't expecting to face overwhelming competition from the more wealthy and powerful commercial space firms AND the established EELV builders. Direct was a welcome partner during the campaign to smear Ares I, but now the bigger fish are moving in and Jupiter Direct is outside looking in. Lori Garver led them on, but she was just teasing them like a cheerleader messing with a nerd.

Obama literally put NASA’s fate in the hands of three people and walked away. Deputy Administrator Lori Garver, along with fellow Obama transition team members George Whitesides and Alan Ladwig were told by the President that they could do whatever they wanted with NASA as long as they keep the budget under control. This is why NASA administrator Bolden said the new program is about meeting a budget and not about fulfilling dreams. It had to be very difficult for Bolden to say those words, but he is just doing what the boss says to do.

Don’t be too surprised if Obama declines to put up a fight if Congress rejects this proposal and votes to keep Constellation alive. He doesn’t really care what happens with NASA.

It may turn out that everybody- Direct and the PayPal and new money boys- will get what they deserve when this is all over. Nothing. If Ares I stays or an EELV is adopted, where will the Direct guys go next?

There is nothing technical or programmatic in this post. Just more of the same from McDade, taunting, character assassination, slander, and name calling. It is always the same whether it is here or on other forums. McDade uses disinformation to try to sell his point of view. Also, he conveniently ignores posts that point out his errors, misrepresentations, twisted facts and blatant lies.

We don't need this kind of space advocate

[spacefan]

Obama literally put NASA’s fate in the hands of three people and walked away. Deputy Administrator Lori Garver, along with fellow Obama transition team members George Whitesides and Alan Ladwig were told by the President that they could do whatever they wanted with NASA as long as they keep the budget under control. This is why NASA administrator Bolden said the new program is about meeting a budget and not about fulfilling dreams. It had to be very difficult for Bolden to say those words, but he is just doing what the boss says to do.

And how do you know this? You are reporting the inner workings of the obama administration that you can have no possible knowledge of, i'm not sure if its dishonesty on your part or if you are delusional. I get you don't like Obama and your sore about Constellation getting cancelled but do you think you stick to objective reality in your posts.

[JimMcDade]

Also, he conveniently ignores posts that point out his errors, misrepresentations, twisted facts and blatant lies.

We don't need this kind of space advocate

Actually, I usually just ignore you, Me2. Sorry that I hurt your feelings, but there isn't much point to arguing with you about anything. First, you prefer to insult people rather than present rational arguments and substantiated facts. You prefer to cavalierly discount the more learned opinions of others, particularly the MSFC engineers and anybody else who dares challenge your claims.

Your theories influence your thinking to such an extreme that you fit perfectly into the category of a monistic. I can understand why nobody in an official position took your objections to Ares I seriously. It is not easy to take anything you say seriously. You have tainted yourself. You are locked in a cyclical pattern of denial.

I realize that you don't get it, but most of those around you do. That is why it is usually a waste of time to respond to your scathing attacks. You keep pushing the same discounted arguments over and over. It is much easier just to permit you to rant without wasting the energy and time to respond. Your mind is in a rut and your wheels are spinning . Your opinions have no traction, but you don't want to admit it.

[JimMcDade]

Obama literally put NASA’s fate in the hands of three people and walked away. Deputy Administrator Lori Garver, along with fellow Obama transition team members George Whitesides and Alan Ladwig were told by the President that they could do whatever they wanted with NASA as long as they keep the budget under control. This is why NASA administrator Bolden said the new program is about meeting a budget and not about fulfilling dreams. It had to be very difficult for Bolden to say those words, but he is just doing what the boss says to do.

And how do you know this? You are reporting the inner workings of the obama administration that you can have no possible knowledge of, i'm not sure if its dishonesty on your part or if you are delusional. I get you don't like Obama and your sore about Constellation getting cancelled but do you think you stick to objective reality in your posts.

If you want to talk with me privately, I can fill you in on some of my inside sources for you. I cannot go on record with that information because I promised confidentiality to my sources (multiple). Sometimes I am offering direct quotes and sometimes I am paraphrasing information that is coming from people whose names you would recognize. I can tell you that some of the insiders are going along with this scheme for obvious career-related reasons, but they are not at all happy about how this is being done. Believe me, there are bigger people than me who are getting information from the same level, and even higher, than I am. We may have to wait many years before some people are willing to go on record in their own names.

You can either take it or leave it. I have no way of proving that I am less of a nut than anonymous posters who use a personal pronoun for a handle. or the Jupiter Direct conspiracy theorists.

[Me2]

1. First, you prefer to insult people rather than present rational arguments and substantiated facts.

2. You prefer to cavalierly discount the more learned opinions of others, particularly the MSFC engineers and anybody else who dares challenge your claims.

3. Your theories influence your thinking to such an extreme that you fit perfectly into the category of a monistic.

4, I can understand why nobody in an official position took your objections to Ares I seriously. It is not easy to take anything you say seriously. You have tainted yourself. You are locked in a cyclical pattern of denial.

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1. Look in the mirror McDade, you are the king of insults. You just apply them to groups whereas mine are focused on one person. There is no difference.

2. More learned? Not you. Also, as for my opinions, they are the truth, and have proven to be correct. Ares I has be canceled. As for MSFC engineers, their track record speaks for themselves. X-33, HST, X-37, X-34, DART, Challenger, Columbia, OSP, SLI, ISS Prop Module,

3. Now there is the kettle call the pot black. But you are worse, I was just against the POR and was willing to look at other options (8.4 meter inline SDLV) vs my preferred EELV option. Where as you were POR or nothing.

4. There are people in an official positions that have the same ojections to Ares I. They were just not public about it. Why do you think it was canceled. Why do you think I knew this was going to happen.

[Me2]

If you want to talk with me privately, I can fill you in on some of my inside sources for you.

You can either take it or leave it. I have no way of proving that I am less of a nut than Me2 or the Jupiter Direct conspiracy theorists.

McDade,

Your sources have yet to prove themselves over the course of time. If your sources are the Northern Alabama Space Agency, they won't amount to squat.

Actually, McDade, you are a nut, my sources have proven themselves. Ares I is canceled. There is no way you can spin it otherwise. I saw the undercurrents in the agency and they were going opposite of everything you thought you saw.

[Rick]

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[martyn20]

I bet I can't guess who's name is going to be mentioned most in this part of the forum?

[JimMcDade]

Is the example below suitable for this gallery of insults and slams?

Obama is a wing-nut for offering his "Can't Do!" plans for space exploration.

"I love STAR TREK and space fantasy. I think
that I will hand over NASA to those rocket
fellows who sent me those flashy PowerPoints.
Where's my teleprompter, Robert?"

[Rick]

Go at it. I posted a warning in the description, so if someone doesn't like it, oh well.

[Rick]

I bet I can't guess who's name is going to be mentioned most in this part of the forum?

Who? Certainly not mine.

[Rick]

Is the example below suitable for this gallery of insults and slams?

Obama is a wing-nut for offering his "Can't Do!" plans for space exploration.

"I love STAR TREK and space fantasy. I think
that I will hand over NASA to those rocket
fellows who sent me those flashy PowerPoints.
Where's my teleprompter, Robert?"

What plan???????

[JimMcDade]

What plan???????

You have a point. This is chaos and nobody appears to know what's going on. Judging from opinion columns all over the country, this commercial proposal is going over like a Lead Zeppelin (not Led Zeppelin).

The internal discussions have gone dead quiet in those places where celebrations were happening last Monday. Obama is also catching flack from former supporters who thought he was on their side. I have never seen anything like this. Obama is not speaking and the center administrators are baffled and are hanging out on the vine with no clear message coming to them from HQ.

I wonder if Obama will appoint Garver to lead NASA when Bolden quits. I doubt that he will since she is the chief architect of this mess that is making the President look like a total boob.

[spacefan]

OK, here's the plan. We watch the classified ads to see when the government liquidation auction is happening. Then we go down there and bid on all of the Constellation hardware. Me2 says it's worthless, so I figure we can probably by it all for 40 or 50 bucks, max! We will need everybody's pickup for this.

Then we haul all of that stuff to a vacant lot somewhere (there will be plenty of vacant lots and empty buildings after all of Obama's layoffs at KSC are piled on top of the other people who have lost their jobs) and put it all back together and submit our bid to NASA.

We can put a $100 help wanted ad in AW&ST. There will be lots of desperate, unemployed rocket engineers and workers from all around the country around who will be willing to work for the minimum wage and very ready to take revenge on the the commercial spaceflight industry that lobbied to put them out of work. That will make it really easy to beat out SpaceX and the other bidders who have to pay higher wages for their help.

Obama will be so happy with our winning bid that he will stage one of those pep-rally events where he does that Mussolini-type pose that he does. You've seen it. It's that pose where he tilts his chin way up high, pushes his lips together, and looks down his nose at his loyal, unquestioning minions. We can play to his ego and bolster his arrogance by painting the rocket gold and re-christen it as Obama I. His joy and satisfaction might push him over the edge and cause his to finally perform the complete Mussolini-body language and place his hands on his hips as he raises that chin.

Now your talking McDade a workers co-operative that will show those profiteers. Me and the comrades over here would definately show solidarity if you did that we may even make a contribution.

[martyn20]

Who? Certainly not mine.

I was talking about Mr Obama

[Pholord]

I kind of like McD's idea, but really - all you have to do is tell Obie that if the U.S. goes to the moon with an AresV, he can do a photo op of him dancing on the moon with Michelle...

[Rick]

I don't think he'd care. He's not an HSF fan to say the least.

[Pholord]

Right... OK we go ahead with McD's plan, but we take some of the new budget dough for studying global warming, buy a pair of the best Tasco binoculars (and a few pairs of Swarovski's for Inside KSC contest prizes). Then we stuff Al Gore into a Falcon9 (skip the Dragon, he's got plenty of HOT air) and send him to the moon (with the Tasco's and a couple of tons of bologna sandwiches - he can melt the ice for oxygen) and HE can study the global warming. The money saved would leave funds to extend the shuttle program and give us time to work on the AresV and Orion!

[Rick]

LOL!!!!!


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